we all have many reasons for leaving, most are doctrinal, some are emotional.
it's a religion which obsesses over factual proofs (counterfactual though they are) of its veracity rather than faith, so it's inevitable that most who leave will do so for intellectual reasons.
which doctrine above all others forced you to reconsider your position?
I can be very specific about what started me off learning TTAT. Someone pointed out that in the All scripture is inspired book, exactly the same sources used to establish 537/539 are rubbished for saying Jerusalem fell in 587. It seemed so obviously stupid that I started investigating further and the whole structure collapsed in front of me.
SF
this is not intended to expose wrong teachings etc, just to promote thinking and asking questions.. 1) ask if imperfection and death automatically follow sin.
jw will answer yes.. 2) ask if satan is imperfect then.. 3) sit back and watch them try to work out what the right answer should be.. sf.
Little can be stated to a JW that would be so thought provoking that they start to question their faith. That type of questioning comes from within ones own psyche
I entirely agree DisArmed, which is why the questions are framed to start them thinking about what they believe rather than attacking a belief. I don't think it is particularly profound - just another logical inconsistancy in the bible/JW beliefs. Personally I think it is all nonsense. JWs usually need a bit of a push to get started in really thinking and then their own psyche can take over. As I said earlier, doesn't work for many, but asking questions like this can help some start thinking and there is little risk to the questioner since it isn't attacking a belief. Anyone tried questions like this? I have tried this one and listened for about half an hour to several witnesses examine all sorts of inconsistancies.
SF
this is not intended to expose wrong teachings etc, just to promote thinking and asking questions.. 1) ask if imperfection and death automatically follow sin.
jw will answer yes.. 2) ask if satan is imperfect then.. 3) sit back and watch them try to work out what the right answer should be.. sf.
When I have tried to question beliefs even subtly, JWs always go very defensive and I don't feel as if I've achieved anything. It usually needs to start with them questioning something or at least wondering about alternatives. My post was about using a line of questioning that they haven't already been given an opinion on. Hopefully it could start off an internal process which would lead to them genuinely questioning doctrine. Or not in most cases, but if it helps some, it's worth trying (and is low risk)
SF
this is not intended to expose wrong teachings etc, just to promote thinking and asking questions.. 1) ask if imperfection and death automatically follow sin.
jw will answer yes.. 2) ask if satan is imperfect then.. 3) sit back and watch them try to work out what the right answer should be.. sf.
This is not intended to expose wrong teachings etc, just to promote thinking and asking questions.
1) Ask if imperfection and death automatically follow sin. JW will answer yes.
2) Ask if Satan is imperfect then.
3) Sit back and watch them try to work out what the right answer should be.
SF
anyone know if there is some problem with jw podcast?
their website is giving me a 404 not found error.. sf.
Thanks dubstepped - looking forward to your next podcast btw.
SF
anyone know if there is some problem with jw podcast?
their website is giving me a 404 not found error.. sf.
Anyone know if there is some problem with JW Podcast? Their website is giving me a 404 not found error.
SF
https://www.boyfriendpillow.com.au/.
with all the focus on the new anti-masturbation vide telling all bethelites not to sleep inappropriately with a pillow, surely this has to be the very item that will send the gb into fits of despair?
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What we really need here is a return of The Prodigal Boys podcast - this is tailor made for them.
has anyone tried to get their jw report cards and any other info using a freedom of information request?
would london bethel have all this information?.
truthseeker.
The congregation should say that the card belongs to them (anyone remember when they had to be signed) but the information can be shared with you. Of course, you may find a secretary who isn't aware of this.
january-18-2018--boe.
donations for 2019 international convention travel.
https://we.tl/ikbkzz8xpwatlantis!
This letter has appeared after many congregations have already had a resolution to donate the money. Not that it would have made any difference to the vote, but does that mean technically the money can't go into the WWW?
SF
jehovah himself gives the saying "the women telling the good news are a large army" psalms 68 : 11 coupled with the fact that a good portion of women partake of the emblems and wine at the annual memorial celebration.. identifying themselves as part of the 144000 that are taken from the earth to rule with christ jesus in the heavens.. isn`t it about time they were recognized for their contributions and given the fact that gods word the bible clearly states that 144,000 of anointed are to be taken from the earth which many women are a large part of.?.
revelation ch.14 :4 could be argued that they are not lesbians { "these are the ones who do not defile themselves with women ,in fact they are virgins, etc,etc.}.
i wonder just how many men who claim to be of the anointed have not defiled themselves with women and are virgins.?.
When hell freezes over - and they don't believe in hell.
(Where's Outlaw when you need him)
